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		<title>By: Cecile Mills</title>
		<link>http://www.ecostreet.com/blog/responsible-transport/2007/07/10/why-free-public-transport-would-work/comment-page-1/#comment-68977</link>
		<dc:creator>Cecile Mills</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 17:19:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seattle Washington has long had free bus transport in the downtown zone. As you travel away from Zone One, the fare increases until you reach the farthest bus zone, where you pay according to how many zones you&#039;ve traveled through. It has been an amazing success from many measurements. 

I would like to add some other savings: 
• the plants and trees along streets and 
  freeways benefit from the reduction of 
  pollutants;
• the cost of building parking structures (as
  now required for any commercial buildings); 
• to reducing traffic, especially in crowded
  areas would be reduced;
• adding to community, as people chat on the bus
• additional jobs, for bus cleaners and mechanics
  and passenger support. I think every bus should
  have an employee on to act as liaison and 
  problem solver.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seattle Washington has long had free bus transport in the downtown zone. As you travel away from Zone One, the fare increases until you reach the farthest bus zone, where you pay according to how many zones you&#8217;ve traveled through. It has been an amazing success from many measurements. </p>
<p>I would like to add some other savings:<br />
• the plants and trees along streets and<br />
  freeways benefit from the reduction of<br />
  pollutants;<br />
• the cost of building parking structures (as<br />
  now required for any commercial buildings);<br />
• to reducing traffic, especially in crowded<br />
  areas would be reduced;<br />
• adding to community, as people chat on the bus<br />
• additional jobs, for bus cleaners and mechanics<br />
  and passenger support. I think every bus should<br />
  have an employee on to act as liaison and<br />
  problem solver.</p>
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		<title>By: Hollie</title>
		<link>http://www.ecostreet.com/blog/responsible-transport/2007/07/10/why-free-public-transport-would-work/comment-page-1/#comment-68901</link>
		<dc:creator>Hollie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 14:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that the idea of public transport is a really good idea. But I also think this will not happen unless we fight for it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that the idea of public transport is a really good idea. But I also think this will not happen unless we fight for it!</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Wilkes</title>
		<link>http://www.ecostreet.com/blog/responsible-transport/2007/07/10/why-free-public-transport-would-work/comment-page-1/#comment-68688</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Wilkes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spot on!  And you are right to say this won&#039;t happen without considerable campaigning.  Which is why we have recently set up just such a campaign in Manchester.  See http://www.freepublictransport.org.uk/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spot on!  And you are right to say this won&#8217;t happen without considerable campaigning.  Which is why we have recently set up just such a campaign in Manchester.  See <a href="http://www.freepublictransport.org.uk/" rel="nofollow">http://www.freepublictransport.org.uk/</a></p>
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		<title>By: RedGreenInBlue</title>
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		<dc:creator>RedGreenInBlue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 14:37:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bryce,

&quot;For example, a theoretical line that picks up only 1-5 rural passengers far away at great public expense might never stop running under such a system where fares/income are not accounted for.&quot;

Oh well, in that case we should dig up rural B-roads if the costs of maintaining those roads isn&#039;t covered by the share of VED and fuel duty coming from the drivers who use them!

(Hint: transport has uses other than raising money.)

And local councils are quite happy to (ahem) scrap weekly refuse collections, cut mental health services, hike up Council Tax - and withdraw subsidies for bus routes under current funding arrangements. Why would they suddenly decide to start throwing money at your hypothetical under-used bus service if it became free at the point of use?

(Hint: they wouldn&#039;t.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bryce,</p>
<p>&#8220;For example, a theoretical line that picks up only 1-5 rural passengers far away at great public expense might never stop running under such a system where fares/income are not accounted for.&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh well, in that case we should dig up rural B-roads if the costs of maintaining those roads isn&#8217;t covered by the share of VED and fuel duty coming from the drivers who use them!</p>
<p>(Hint: transport has uses other than raising money.)</p>
<p>And local councils are quite happy to (ahem) scrap weekly refuse collections, cut mental health services, hike up Council Tax &#8211; and withdraw subsidies for bus routes under current funding arrangements. Why would they suddenly decide to start throwing money at your hypothetical under-used bus service if it became free at the point of use?</p>
<p>(Hint: they wouldn&#8217;t.)</p>
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		<title>By: cutthecar</title>
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		<dc:creator>cutthecar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 08:38:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Rimfax

What does cost have to do with something being clean and efficient?
If something is cheap, it doesn&#039;t mean it is clean or efficient in the environmental or even engineering sense. Also time isn&#039;t a factor when considering the environment.

Cars are cheap because of the vast amount of cheap fossil fuels used to subsidise their use, combined with massive marketing campaigns and business infrastructures. The fact is if a car is cheap to run then it is because of a false bias and help given to support it. The down side is that if you want to walk somewhere where the car dominates, you will have a difficult and costly time trying to do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Rimfax</p>
<p>What does cost have to do with something being clean and efficient?<br />
If something is cheap, it doesn&#8217;t mean it is clean or efficient in the environmental or even engineering sense. Also time isn&#8217;t a factor when considering the environment.</p>
<p>Cars are cheap because of the vast amount of cheap fossil fuels used to subsidise their use, combined with massive marketing campaigns and business infrastructures. The fact is if a car is cheap to run then it is because of a false bias and help given to support it. The down side is that if you want to walk somewhere where the car dominates, you will have a difficult and costly time trying to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: Cashless Public Transit? &#171; From My Bottom Step</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cashless Public Transit? &#171; From My Bottom Step</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 00:09:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: debronski</title>
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		<dc:creator>debronski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2007 04:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In South Africa productivity is hampered by the high cost of public transport. If transport were free people could forget about how they are going to get to work and worry about doing the job at hand. It would also do away with the cost of maintaining a minibus taxi industry that takes hundreds of lives each year through negligent driving and poorly maintained vehicles. This service could be govt. controlled instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In South Africa productivity is hampered by the high cost of public transport. If transport were free people could forget about how they are going to get to work and worry about doing the job at hand. It would also do away with the cost of maintaining a minibus taxi industry that takes hundreds of lives each year through negligent driving and poorly maintained vehicles. This service could be govt. controlled instead.</p>
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		<title>By: Rimfax</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rimfax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 20:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If public transit is so efficient and clean, why does it cost more per person per trip than driving one person per car, even when you include the cost of depreciation and carbon offsets?  Even when subsidized on the order of 80% and with all of the infrastructure paid for, it still costs more money and more time than most drivers spend for a given trip.  They don&#039;t even have a fraction of the liability exposure of most drivers because they are government-run.  So, with all this extra cost to run when compared to cars and roads, is there really no comparable carbon production?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If public transit is so efficient and clean, why does it cost more per person per trip than driving one person per car, even when you include the cost of depreciation and carbon offsets?  Even when subsidized on the order of 80% and with all of the infrastructure paid for, it still costs more money and more time than most drivers spend for a given trip.  They don&#8217;t even have a fraction of the liability exposure of most drivers because they are government-run.  So, with all this extra cost to run when compared to cars and roads, is there really no comparable carbon production?</p>
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		<title>By: Why free public transport would work &#171; Environment News</title>
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		<dc:creator>Why free public transport would work &#171; Environment News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 10:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Milander</title>
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		<dc:creator>Milander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 13:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;M assuming you are from the states Kevin.No european would make a comment like that.

As the post says, public transport is heavily subsidised already. The balance of the argument is that making it free would increase other avenues of public expenditure as a result of encouraging people to take advantage of free transportation. The first step is to realise that public transportation (pt) will never make a profit and as such is already &#039;paid for&#039; by the government. The next step is to see beyond a car culture. If people know they can just hope on a bus or tram or train and visit a towns center or travel around a city it will encourage spot spending. Spot spending is the coke you pick up from the station vending machine, the visit to the museum shop you happened to go into on a whim.

Free transport opens up a town and gets people to go to places they wouldn&#039;t normally go to because the &quot;parking is so inconvinient&quot;.

The taxes raised through sales and increased consumerism (the side benefits of free PT) more than outway the costs of implementing it.

Just my opinion...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;M assuming you are from the states Kevin.No european would make a comment like that.</p>
<p>As the post says, public transport is heavily subsidised already. The balance of the argument is that making it free would increase other avenues of public expenditure as a result of encouraging people to take advantage of free transportation. The first step is to realise that public transportation (pt) will never make a profit and as such is already &#8216;paid for&#8217; by the government. The next step is to see beyond a car culture. If people know they can just hope on a bus or tram or train and visit a towns center or travel around a city it will encourage spot spending. Spot spending is the coke you pick up from the station vending machine, the visit to the museum shop you happened to go into on a whim.</p>
<p>Free transport opens up a town and gets people to go to places they wouldn&#8217;t normally go to because the &#8220;parking is so inconvinient&#8221;.</p>
<p>The taxes raised through sales and increased consumerism (the side benefits of free PT) more than outway the costs of implementing it.</p>
<p>Just my opinion&#8230;</p>
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