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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 16:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would argue that the idea that dishwashwers save water is one people desperately want to believe because it diverts attention from the real reason for using them, which is simple convenience.  The convenience factor is obvious for large families, but for one, two, or even three people, a dishwasher is going to take three or four days to fill, tying up an increasing percentage of the household dish/utensil supply along the way.

More to the point, I hand-wash with a trickle of water, and towel or air-dry, and I find it extremely difficult to imagine that that approach is anywhere near as resource-intensive as a dishwasher, especially when you factor in its built-in electric dryer. 

Ok, compared to most of the people I&#039;ve seen wash dishes, yes, a dishwasher probably saves water.  But as with so many other environmental issues we&#039;re facing, that&#039;s an awareness and/or conscience thing.  &quot;Look at how much water I save if I wash my dishes in a somewhat-wasteful dishwasher instead of using a really-wasteful approach by hand!!!&quot;

Do they save time?  Absolutely.  Do they save water?  Highly suspect.

But changing how we wash dishes is a tiny fraction of the environmental impact we have compared to diet.  Want to make a real difference?  What it takes to get food onto our plates is far more of an issue than how we get food off of them.

A somewhat light-hearted reference:
   http://www.pbjcampaign.org/numbers

The resource-savings for a plant-based diet are huge - probably the single biggest impact we can influence as individuals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would argue that the idea that dishwashwers save water is one people desperately want to believe because it diverts attention from the real reason for using them, which is simple convenience.  The convenience factor is obvious for large families, but for one, two, or even three people, a dishwasher is going to take three or four days to fill, tying up an increasing percentage of the household dish/utensil supply along the way.</p>
<p>More to the point, I hand-wash with a trickle of water, and towel or air-dry, and I find it extremely difficult to imagine that that approach is anywhere near as resource-intensive as a dishwasher, especially when you factor in its built-in electric dryer. </p>
<p>Ok, compared to most of the people I&#8217;ve seen wash dishes, yes, a dishwasher probably saves water.  But as with so many other environmental issues we&#8217;re facing, that&#8217;s an awareness and/or conscience thing.  &#8220;Look at how much water I save if I wash my dishes in a somewhat-wasteful dishwasher instead of using a really-wasteful approach by hand!!!&#8221;</p>
<p>Do they save time?  Absolutely.  Do they save water?  Highly suspect.</p>
<p>But changing how we wash dishes is a tiny fraction of the environmental impact we have compared to diet.  Want to make a real difference?  What it takes to get food onto our plates is far more of an issue than how we get food off of them.</p>
<p>A somewhat light-hearted reference:<br />
   <a href="http://www.pbjcampaign.org/numbers" rel="nofollow">http://www.pbjcampaign.org/numbers</a></p>
<p>The resource-savings for a plant-based diet are huge &#8211; probably the single biggest impact we can influence as individuals.</p>
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		<title>By: Brianne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brianne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 02:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Sage and FJ, people need to stop relying on technology. I can see both sides, if you have a new energy efficient dishwasher it&#039;s probably going to be better than handwashing - especially if you just bought a house or are renting a place with one already there. Otherwise, the amount of energy and materials to make one - I&#039;m tossed about that.

The other concern for me, I am renting and the dishwasher is definitely not the most efficient and to get dishes clean you MUST pre-rinse which defeats the whole purpose. Now it&#039;s an oversized drying rack for my handwashing. Thanks for all the ideas to adjust my washing technique to conserve more water and energy. 

I&#039;m getting a water aerator for the sink to save even more water hopefully. And thanks again to everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Sage and FJ, people need to stop relying on technology. I can see both sides, if you have a new energy efficient dishwasher it&#8217;s probably going to be better than handwashing &#8211; especially if you just bought a house or are renting a place with one already there. Otherwise, the amount of energy and materials to make one &#8211; I&#8217;m tossed about that.</p>
<p>The other concern for me, I am renting and the dishwasher is definitely not the most efficient and to get dishes clean you MUST pre-rinse which defeats the whole purpose. Now it&#8217;s an oversized drying rack for my handwashing. Thanks for all the ideas to adjust my washing technique to conserve more water and energy. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m getting a water aerator for the sink to save even more water hopefully. And thanks again to everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: FJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>FJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 11:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is token Greenism.  Firstly, you mention a AAA machine, which one needs to go out and purchase.  Secondly, when most wash dishes by hand they let the water run too long (maybe the entire time they&#039;re washing) instead of being conservative with the water.  

This is to say nothing of the fact that we&#039;re overly reliant on the convenience of machines; as efficient as we might make them, stuffing dishes into a dishwasher or clothes into an &quot;efficient&quot; washing machine, pressing a button, and waiting for magic to happen is no way to live (though most of us can&#039;t give that up).  Simplifying our lives across the board would make points like this moot in terms of what we can do to help our local environment, because as it is, we use far too many resources daily.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is token Greenism.  Firstly, you mention a AAA machine, which one needs to go out and purchase.  Secondly, when most wash dishes by hand they let the water run too long (maybe the entire time they&#8217;re washing) instead of being conservative with the water.  </p>
<p>This is to say nothing of the fact that we&#8217;re overly reliant on the convenience of machines; as efficient as we might make them, stuffing dishes into a dishwasher or clothes into an &#8220;efficient&#8221; washing machine, pressing a button, and waiting for magic to happen is no way to live (though most of us can&#8217;t give that up).  Simplifying our lives across the board would make points like this moot in terms of what we can do to help our local environment, because as it is, we use far too many resources daily.</p>
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		<title>By: Do Dishwashers Really Save Water &#124; Moms Speak Up</title>
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		<dc:creator>Do Dishwashers Really Save Water &#124; Moms Speak Up</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 13:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] this can vary depend on one&#8217;s hand washing technique. Research has shown that there are significant water savings in using the current models of dishwashers.Water conservation does not stop with dish washing. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] this can vary depend on one&#8217;s hand washing technique. Research has shown that there are significant water savings in using the current models of dishwashers.Water conservation does not stop with dish washing. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: #18 Doing the Dishes</title>
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		<dc:creator>#18 Doing the Dishes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 03:35:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to the lather and rinse method, that&#8217;s a lot of water and energy consumed. According to ecostreet, an average person can save up over 11,000 liters of water a year by hand-washing dishes. To put [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to the lather and rinse method, that&#8217;s a lot of water and energy consumed. According to ecostreet, an average person can save up over 11,000 liters of water a year by hand-washing dishes. To put [...]</p>
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		<title>By: robinf</title>
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		<dc:creator>robinf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 05:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to mention that the diswasher is far more sanitary than handwashing. I see few people handwash the way you&#039;re supposed to (and it grosses me out when I eat at other people&#039;s houses)-- i.e. submerge each plate in piping hot water for at least 30 seconds, then rinse in a seperate tub of water. I see a couple people mentioned here using small amounts of water. I can see this working for a few plates (in fact, I might even try this if I need to wash just a few plates without a dishwasher-- thanks). But I do not think you could keep a small amount of water hot long enough to disinfect an entire load of dishes. Which is why the dishwasher comes into play. It&#039;s more efficient in bulk. And, you know, even if there are only a couple people in your household, you just wait until the dishwasher is full to run it. In other words, there is a greater time between loads, but overall you&#039;re still using less water than many small batches of dishes washed by hand. You just can&#039;t beat a dishwasher in the long run.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to mention that the diswasher is far more sanitary than handwashing. I see few people handwash the way you&#8217;re supposed to (and it grosses me out when I eat at other people&#8217;s houses)&#8211; i.e. submerge each plate in piping hot water for at least 30 seconds, then rinse in a seperate tub of water. I see a couple people mentioned here using small amounts of water. I can see this working for a few plates (in fact, I might even try this if I need to wash just a few plates without a dishwasher&#8211; thanks). But I do not think you could keep a small amount of water hot long enough to disinfect an entire load of dishes. Which is why the dishwasher comes into play. It&#8217;s more efficient in bulk. And, you know, even if there are only a couple people in your household, you just wait until the dishwasher is full to run it. In other words, there is a greater time between loads, but overall you&#8217;re still using less water than many small batches of dishes washed by hand. You just can&#8217;t beat a dishwasher in the long run.</p>
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		<title>By: Liz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2006 12:50:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s important to note that just as with a clothes washing machine, a diswasher should only be fun when it&#039;s full.

However, I agree with Sage that learning less-wasteful dish-washing techniques would go a long way.  My husband and I always hand wash with minimal amounts of water and a soapy sponge, and we don&#039;t have the space or inclination to add another appliance to our kitchen.

There&#039;s no &quot;best&quot; way... each person should do the things that work the best for them, while being mindful of resources.  I&#039;m not sure if I&#039;d be as pro-handwashing if I had a family, but this is what works for us.

Great list of suggestions... although I haven&#039;t washed my car in years and it still looks fine!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s important to note that just as with a clothes washing machine, a diswasher should only be fun when it&#8217;s full.</p>
<p>However, I agree with Sage that learning less-wasteful dish-washing techniques would go a long way.  My husband and I always hand wash with minimal amounts of water and a soapy sponge, and we don&#8217;t have the space or inclination to add another appliance to our kitchen.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no &#8220;best&#8221; way&#8230; each person should do the things that work the best for them, while being mindful of resources.  I&#8217;m not sure if I&#8217;d be as pro-handwashing if I had a family, but this is what works for us.</p>
<p>Great list of suggestions&#8230; although I haven&#8217;t washed my car in years and it still looks fine!</p>
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		<title>By: GroovyGreen.com - Start Today :: Save Tomorrow : Blog Archive : Bobolink - July 26th 2006</title>
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		<dc:creator>GroovyGreen.com - Start Today :: Save Tomorrow : Blog Archive : Bobolink - July 26th 2006</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2006 01:37:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Ideensammlung. &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Geschirr spülen von Hand is Wasserverschwendung</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ideensammlung. &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Geschirr spülen von Hand is Wasserverschwendung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:58:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Aus gegebenem Anlass: Washing dishes by hand wastes water Ne WG-Spulmaschine w&#252;rde nicht nur die Lebensqualit&#228;t *enorm* steigern sondern auch noch Wasser sparen und wie jeder wei&#223; ist dieses nicht unbegrenzt vorhanden&#8230; &#8211;&gt; Kauft euch alle ne Sp&#252;lmaschine!   Veroeffentlicht in kategorieloses &#124; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Catana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Catana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jul 2006 17:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Statistics about water use are pretty useless when they are based on assumptions that may not be true. I have no idea why the only measurement is based on filling a sink with water for handwashing dishes. A bowl large enough for the average plate is perfectly adequate for the soapy water. Items don&#039;t have to be submerged, just gone over with a sponge or scrubber. For exceptionally messy items, like pots and pans, fill them with hot soapy water, let them soak, and use the same water (unless it&#039;s too greasy) for washing additional items. 

Not everyone has access to a dishwasher, but everyone can use common sense and save water. I live alone now, but I used the same dishwashing methods for a family of four.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Statistics about water use are pretty useless when they are based on assumptions that may not be true. I have no idea why the only measurement is based on filling a sink with water for handwashing dishes. A bowl large enough for the average plate is perfectly adequate for the soapy water. Items don&#8217;t have to be submerged, just gone over with a sponge or scrubber. For exceptionally messy items, like pots and pans, fill them with hot soapy water, let them soak, and use the same water (unless it&#8217;s too greasy) for washing additional items. </p>
<p>Not everyone has access to a dishwasher, but everyone can use common sense and save water. I live alone now, but I used the same dishwashing methods for a family of four.</p>
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